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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 102 for the first of

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October 2010 Richard Saunders here with

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you in Sydney Australia on this week's

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episode we have our two two interviews

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conducted by dr. Aichi the first one is

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with our good friend Bruce M hood it was

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such a delight to meet Bruce M hood at

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tam 8 in Las Vegas what a character what

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a character he is great fun that's

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followed by a short report by our good

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friend Maynard as last week dr. rage and

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I traveled up to Newcastle with Maynard

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and visited the leftovers of the big

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prawn very sad very sad carried on and

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spoke at the you castle unifor the

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atheists there we gave our talks on

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skepticism and investigating claims of

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alternative medicine Maynard was on hand

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with his microphone and he did a report

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for ABC radio which we are thrilled to

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be able to replay for you on this

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episode after that one more report by

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dr. Reggie one more interview with

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Maggie McPhee now if you're in the

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united states or canada i guess and you

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want to give us a call give us a ring

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leave us a voice message that we can

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play on the show if you have a question

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or a comment rather than email you can

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always do that we have a special number

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in the United States call 6 46 49 59 205

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that's 6 46 49 59 205 extension 933 46

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leave us a message isn't technology

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wonderful so relax have that lovely neat

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vodka and enjoy this episode of the

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Bruce M put is currently the director of

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the Bristol cognitive development center

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in the experimental psychology

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department at the University of Bristol

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he has been a research fellow at

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Cambridge University and University

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College London a visiting scientist at

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MIT and the faculty professor at Harvard

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he was awarded an Alfred Sloan

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fellowship in neuroscience the young

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international society of indian see

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researchers the robert france memorial

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award and recently voted into the

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fellowship status by the Society of

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American Psychological Science Wow he

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also does a great barber shop quartet

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especially if you get him in a barn

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stick a false mustache on him as I

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remember once dr. Reggie caught up with

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Bruce add the amazing mediate okay i'm

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here at Tom eight in Las Vegas in the

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south point casino in the SGU interview

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room with Bruce would are they Professor

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Bruce Smith hello dr. Richard how are

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you I'm very well slightly jet lag but

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getting back to speed so how you

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enjoying the conference so far I'm

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having a great time although I did to

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fall asleep at one point but I think I'm

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sinking back in with my quads but it's

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amazing is this a weird bizarre mix of

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diverse people who so I'm still not sure

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what to make of it but yeah it's fun but

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you've done to him before right you've

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done 10 london avenue yeah i did the

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fringe event there and but it's a very

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different different different crowd i

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think yeah yeah or I think server 2 pi

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think it's right yeah I seen a lot of

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tattoos this time was very nicely yeah

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oh that's funny well because I wouldn't

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call this casino particularly

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conservative it's a bit I mean for those

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of Allison's you haven't been to town in

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Vegas we're not on the strip we're sort

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of away from the main part of you know

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the garish

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Eiffel Towers and huge casinos and this

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casino is sort of its own entity but

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it's quite a far far away from

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everything else so yeah yeah I'm

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interestingly there's a there's a couple

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of conferences overlapping so yes I was

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three I was sitting down with the

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Australian skeptics table at your table

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today and somebody came out and clearly

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it must be some religious conference but

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they had a very scowl on their face yeah

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and through their coffee into the bucket

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next to me then turned around went back

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into their meeting so clearly I think

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they're aware that the right in the

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midst of a skeptics kind of yeah Mecca

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and didn't you have an interesting

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incident with someone looking for

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Richard Dawkins or something cuz richard

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died in here right this is I'm not sure

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when he's speaking but yeah he had a

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stalker today to me yeah yeah he's on

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the he's on the Saturday after me I'm is

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more of a bang man known as always he

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doesn't well not exactly but I'd like to

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think so yeah but know this woman looked

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slightly crazed she was either she she

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came up and said to have you seen

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Richard Dawkins I'm i appointed i think

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he went that way what time did he pass

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by that point I said well maybe he went

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the other way I was sure she was a fan

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or fanatic or are crazed oh maybe she

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was from the other conference maybe she

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was cynical Chris yes she did have a

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very a look of urgency on her face ok ok

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so you sort of came late to being at an

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this yeah it was really a stroke of luck

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and arrogance because I just decided

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well I emailed the DJ Grothe and I said

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hey you wouldn't have to have any slots

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left with you and he wrote back to ya be

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great to have you over and it was a real

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last-minute thing and he pulled out all

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the stops you know they got everything

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sorted out arranged for me and so I've

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turned up on the bill but slightly

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unannounced but I'm really just stand to

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light over here it's great but you've

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also turned up without something else

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haven't you first oh you mean my wallet

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I know I feel so stupid I know and uh

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yeah it's actually it's a bleeding a

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blessing in disguise I've been told that

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actually turning up in Vegas with it

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with a credit card could be at the end

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of a of a professional career I let

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alone sort of financial security so

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maybe it's not such a bad thing maybe

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it's divine intervention so possibly it

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doesn't mean everyone else is buying you

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drinks I am getting the sympathy vote

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like nothing I ever so please that's

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going for my real sort of Scottish shirt

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no that's not true yes got a charity

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that's my reputation for being yes it's

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no don't I know we're absolutely

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generous when it comes to drinks let's

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just other people's drinks oh no no it

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was a it's been actually i twittered it

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this morning and i got a whole lot of

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followers who are clearly here offering

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to give me cash and offering to buy me

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breakfast and so yeah it's been a real

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useful way of cake to know a lot of

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people quickly yes I'm going to lose my

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wallet more often to see how or at least

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just tell people you're blessed our

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lease tell ya it's a bit of a nightmare

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to be honest the frankly it just reminds

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you of how dependent we are on credit

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currents getting around the foreign

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country without me was a bit of writing

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and I would have thought the US was a

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little bit more kind of organized that

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way but in replacing indica yes I was on

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the phone to India this morning

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canceling everything so even if they

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turn up i'm still screwed but doesn't

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matter well we've actually had you on

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the zone before my listo just

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interviewed you when yes 14 smiley yeah

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when your books to percents was first

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released so some of Alice's may remember

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you from that but since then I think

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it's since then and correct me if I'm

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wrong you've been heavily involved in

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the debunking of the bomb detective oh

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yeah Afghanistan has that happens to the

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other half spoke to us I did in fact yes

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it happened all kicked off in October

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because there was a your Times expose a

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on this how biddick who's actually going

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to be the chair of my session he he was

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took part in this this explosive in New

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York Times and basically some Germans

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have fluid on to Iraq and this company

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had been selling you know I don't know

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what the figure is but in extraordinary

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figure something like 40 to 60 million

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dollars worth of these bomb detection

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devices which sure

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effectively just dowsing rods there's a

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t.a de 651 I would that court less 86

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funds may be a company called ATSC now I

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didn't think much about it I thought oh

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there's another example of crazy people

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spending far too much money than having

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sense and then are another bomb went off

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and i discovered the company and

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literally you know hundreds of lives

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have been lost so this was not a trivial

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thing that i discovered to my horror

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that the company was baseless about

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10-15 miles down the road from me in

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Somerset rural England you know right I

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studied the thing came for you know it

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came very close to home and at that

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point I was really a little bit outraged

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so I blogged again and said look we

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really have got to contact our MPs we

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got to you know mobilize the troops it

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is something that's my surprise the

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director of the company Jim McCormack he

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left a comment on my blog say uh you

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know you don't believe all the negative

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stuff come down and have a look so you

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basically challenged me to go down and

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see this no great yeah I just a lot of

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skeptics start you know they saw the

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commentary and they serve said mean

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things you know things to ask him you

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know double-wide the experiment things

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that any good scientist should do but at

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that point I realize actually you know

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probably what we could do here is really

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try and expose him as he should do so I

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contacted the BBC and we tried setting

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oh how do you do that you swing a Hello

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Baby say hello yeah its briefs quality

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yeah I tried I had tried a bunch of guys

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try wallpapers and they weren't really

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interested but that I got this call from

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Marion Jones from news night and

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actually Caroline Hawley was the Middle

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East correspondent on it and they were

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kind of aware of the case but they never

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had didn't have any contact so they stay

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in the New York yeah they sin the New

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York pace but they didn't know that you

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know they hadn't been following up this

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guy in Somerset so and the other bit of

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really useful input I had was that one

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of the guys had make the cards because

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the McCormick was of having a these

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equipment made us where he contacted me

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and so they got our hands on the cards

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these are the substance car so you put

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inside the detector that allows you to

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resonate with dead bodies or ivory or

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whatever okay can you give us a little

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fried oysters who aren't familiar with

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what these things look like

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they're supposed to work can you give us

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a quick yeah it's it's like a handheld

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piece of plastic which has a swiveling

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rod very much similar and I think

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probably is a car aerial so it's and

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these things cost what forty thousand

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pounds another fifteen thousand pounds

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but then McCormick has always claimed

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that the actual device costs five

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thousand the wrestle to do a training I

270
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suspect it's all to do a backhand as you

271
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know as you sell these things on but

272
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then it has this little lead that feeds

273
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into a box which clips onto a belt

274
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around the waist and in the box are

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supposed to insert these cards the

276
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substance detecting cars hmm and it

277
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resonates and this way tonight that's

278
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what were the more progressive right

279
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morphic red like this dr h e'd there's

280
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always kind of pseudoscience words and

281
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was old nano a gente was there any

282
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quantum in there yeah absolutely oh yeah

283
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quantum magnetic resonance he called it

284
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that was the term there you go choking

285
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oh yeah qmr essence going so it was kind

286
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of a little bit i don't concept the BBC

287
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and we set about trying to arrange a

288
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meeting and we went through this

289
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cat-and-mouse game of setting up a date

290
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and then he would decline and at that

291
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point the net was starting to close in

292
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because the Iraqi governor been called

293
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to question about these devices so he

294
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did this infamous display on the Iraqi

295
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television where he has one of the

296
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soldiers holding this device and by the

297
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way it works by the ideomotor effect no

298
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don't have your route listens I've seen

299
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this but very simply if you take any

300
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very finely balanced fulcrum any balance

301
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pendulum okay and you kind of try and

302
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hold it steady but your attention is

303
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drawn something in the room or you see

304
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something it will naturally swing

305
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towards it because as these

306
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imperceptible body movements which set

307
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the thing off swinging or moving so

308
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that's what it is it's it was

309
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demonstrated by Faraday about 110 years

310
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ago it's a well-known effective

311
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convincing and Randy of course James

312
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Randy from Randy foundation had talked

313
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about these things a couple of years ago

314
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so everyone knew it was bogus I niet

315
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McCormick was doing very well at selling

316
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these sorts of things so tell me more

317
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about this Iraqi TV demonstration he did

318
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what did that it well the head of a

319
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rocky defense had requisitioned all

320
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these devices there was no other device

321
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there was no subpoena was no systematic

322
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ferrara investigation or thorough

323
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examination

324
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expressive through checkpoints every

325
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checkpoint in Iraq was man with these

326
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devices so every checkpoint every Chapel

327
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yeah so they weren't even bothering to

328
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search the vehicle so I'm just pointing

329
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these car aerials on it hoping that they

330
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would detect these devices and then

331
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within this time can we can we just um

332
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emphasized to us that there were people

333
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dying from yeah blast yeah the last one

334
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on December the fifth the big one was

335
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400 and killed and that blast alone so

336
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that was the the one which was the last

337
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big one they were call to accounts and

338
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the press turned up the Iraqi press and

339
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they had a grenade and full view and the

340
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soldier was holding this device walking

341
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past and up and down past it I'm not too

342
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surprising device swings and there

343
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because they could stay it of course he

344
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could see it right and if he hadn't been

345
00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:54,810
instructed moved to damn think he

346
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probably would have did it anyway so it

347
00:13:59,870 --> 00:13:57,990
wasn't exactly a blinded test now

348
00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,880
notably the same thing happened to

349
00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:01,680
entire line with a slightly separate

350
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device called the gt2 2000 i think is or

351
00:14:08,510 --> 00:14:07,230
gt200 i should say i may actually did

352
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the proper studies you know they did it

353
00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:09,930
double blinded they were you couldn't

354
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see where the targets were and they

355
00:14:16,070 --> 00:14:14,310
announced that their studies had shown

356
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in fact these devices didn't work love

357
00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:18,360
it's significantly better than chance so

358
00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:20,100
credit to the you know the Thai

359
00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:21,870
government they actually did investigate

360
00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:23,100
and in fact I think they tried to

361
00:14:27,710 --> 00:14:25,080
prosecute the the chap who was

362
00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:27,720
responsible for buying these devices so

363
00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:29,910
these devices in Thailand where they

364
00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:31,950
they weren't manufactured by June did

365
00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:33,240
they come from Jim McCormack no they

366
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came from his former partner a company

367
00:14:39,170 --> 00:14:37,650
which which makes the gt200 which is

368
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it's all intensive purposes exactly the

369
00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:40,530
same device I think it doesn't have the

370
00:14:46,190 --> 00:14:42,930
substance Carter or maybe it's built

371
00:14:47,540 --> 00:14:46,200
into the to the the actual handle that

372
00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:47,550
holds it but it's effectively saw the

373
00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:49,620
same thing so then the shutdown as well

374
00:14:53,329 --> 00:14:51,000
right but tell me more about these

375
00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:53,339
substance cards yeah you actually had

376
00:14:57,140 --> 00:14:54,540
some of these in your wallet I don't

377
00:14:58,850 --> 00:14:57,150
know it was last rating I know I know so

378
00:15:00,410 --> 00:14:58,860
what are they supposed to be do you want

379
00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:00,420
put the substance in the card and then

380
00:15:04,490 --> 00:15:02,250
they change the rather have a Segway the

381
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:04,500
car looks like a regular sized credit

382
00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:07,920
card and it has a chip inside and so we

383
00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:10,110
do these chips to analysis in Cambridge

384
00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:12,330
an electronics expert opin one out and

385
00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:15,450
farther inside it contained you know

386
00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:16,860
those security chips that you get on

387
00:15:21,499 --> 00:15:19,529
devices when you the set off alarms

388
00:15:23,059 --> 00:15:21,509
shops that's all that is actively it's

389
00:15:24,829 --> 00:15:23,069
just a little bit of wiry it looks sort

390
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:24,839
of scientific which just makes me think

391
00:15:29,119 --> 00:15:26,610
more and more that this was a cynical

392
00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:29,129
attempt by mccormick to pass off you

393
00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:30,899
know this is a legitimate scientific

394
00:15:35,179 --> 00:15:33,209
technology when clearly he knew because

395
00:15:38,329 --> 00:15:35,189
he provided the circuits that this was

396
00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:38,339
just your fake so i can't buy the story

397
00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:40,470
that you know somehow he was being naive

398
00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:42,120
I think he's been deliberately deceptive

399
00:15:45,439 --> 00:15:43,889
so yeah they opened up one of these

400
00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:45,449
cards and father couldn't possibly

401
00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:47,100
contain any information that would ever

402
00:15:51,379 --> 00:15:49,529
code anything I mean it was suicide from

403
00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:51,389
the start every physicist I'd spoken to

404
00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:52,860
every person he knew anything about it

405
00:15:58,309 --> 00:15:55,110
there's just no way you know nuclear

406
00:16:00,079 --> 00:15:58,319
magnetic or nanotechnology yeah magnetic

407
00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:00,089
resonance could work before NMR is a

408
00:16:06,259 --> 00:16:03,199
real thing but not magnetic resonance no

409
00:16:08,809 --> 00:16:06,269
no so so that was so what so what

410
00:16:12,139 --> 00:16:08,819
happened was is that in January the BBC

411
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:12,149
turned up in the kind of the factory

412
00:16:17,329 --> 00:16:14,720
which is effectively just an office and

413
00:16:18,860 --> 00:16:17,339
he wasn't present he was out of the

414
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,870
country then they went to his house and

415
00:16:22,939 --> 00:16:21,360
the there was no his wife answered the

416
00:16:24,139 --> 00:16:22,949
door there was no in a home apparently

417
00:16:26,540 --> 00:16:24,149
but it was quite clear he was there he

418
00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:26,550
just wasn't who's just pressuring but he

419
00:16:30,350 --> 00:16:28,290
had just been arrested anyway by even

420
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:30,360
Somerset Police and on the basis of the

421
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:33,600
documentary which was broadcast the

422
00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:35,970
government imposed the next book order

423
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,689
ban on these devices and as we currently

424
00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:42,000
speak to mccormick is still awaiting

425
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:44,550
trial but the other good news was about

426
00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:47,279
last last month the London police their

427
00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:49,649
international fraud squad raided three

428
00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:51,720
other companies in the London area

429
00:16:56,569 --> 00:16:54,779
including the company gt200 and seized

430
00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:56,579
their assets and shove them down really

431
00:17:03,799 --> 00:16:58,620
yeah so progress is being made though I

432
00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:03,809
have to say it looks like ATSC started

433
00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:05,850
up again are still trading so although

434
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:07,949
he's on that is that him or Thailand

435
00:17:13,850 --> 00:17:11,280
itsm well 1880s esat-6 vestry

436
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,860
McCormick's Creek so because the export

437
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:15,839
order bad is on only two countries in

438
00:17:19,850 --> 00:17:17,250
which British interests are involved

439
00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:19,860
that was the that was the extent of the

440
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,350
band so that leaves every other country

441
00:17:27,409 --> 00:17:24,000
every other destination every other

442
00:17:28,669 --> 00:17:27,419
corrupt you know government to find

443
00:17:29,030 --> 00:17:28,679
someone who's willing to spend money on

444
00:17:34,550 --> 00:17:29,040
this

445
00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:34,560
so it might be an example of Wu being

446
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:37,140
cynically exploited but I also think

447
00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:39,450
it's an example of corruption of just

448
00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:41,130
requisitions getting somebody who's

449
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:42,660
willing to kind of spend the money and

450
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,940
filter off money which you know

451
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:46,080
effectively should be going into

452
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:47,280
rebuilding or the security of the

453
00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:50,400
country yeah I mean I I had a discussion

454
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:51,930
with my dad about this and we talked

455
00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:54,930
about this the other day yeah my dad is

456
00:18:00,530 --> 00:17:56,850
was very senior in the military in

457
00:18:02,060 --> 00:18:00,540
Australia and I showed you the the

458
00:18:06,020 --> 00:18:02,070
documentary and viewers can still see

459
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,030
that I'm probably on the BBC yeah google

460
00:18:10,220 --> 00:18:08,160
news night Jim McCormack or something

461
00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:10,230
yeah i blogged it you're fine on my

462
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:13,710
brother forgot yeah but my dad was just

463
00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:15,480
mortified that something that things

464
00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:17,910
could get to such high ranks no military

465
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:20,220
but as you say it seems that there's a

466
00:18:23,780 --> 00:18:21,930
lot of corruption involved yeah and

467
00:18:25,550 --> 00:18:23,790
that's probably why it propelled to such

468
00:18:27,050 --> 00:18:25,560
high levels certainly the volume of

469
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:27,060
sales suggested to me but i would add

470
00:18:30,290 --> 00:18:28,770
actually united nations were also jute

471
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:30,300
because they were buying the devices for

472
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:34,530
africa to try and prevent the ivory the

473
00:18:40,460 --> 00:18:37,200
illegal ivory trade yeah so you know it

474
00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:40,470
wasn't just the desperate nation so it

475
00:18:43,670 --> 00:18:42,090
you know there are a bunch of people

476
00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:43,680
been duped by and I think the

477
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:45,510
demonstrations look pretty convincing

478
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:48,210
when you see it so I think that sure

479
00:18:54,530 --> 00:18:50,090
it's an example where you take a very

480
00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:54,540
famous you know a bit of paranormal whoo

481
00:18:59,720 --> 00:18:56,580
and you turn into a kind of very

482
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,730
lucrative immoral trade well this is the

483
00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:01,440
thing I mean this is why I watched that

484
00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:02,910
report and I felt sick to my stomach

485
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:05,310
because that is the thing I mean this is

486
00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:07,260
not I mean I'm wearing a power balance

487
00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:08,430
bracelet right now who you know this is

488
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:10,260
nonsense but I'm not going to be killing

489
00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:12,330
four hundred people yeah on blast by

490
00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:15,420
wearing this but you know you talk about

491
00:19:18,810 --> 00:19:17,820
the hell is the demonstrations are quite

492
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:18,820
convincing

493
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:22,010
to people like you and I and say Randy

494
00:19:25,810 --> 00:19:23,840
it's laughable because the Richard

495
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:25,820
Saunders might do a show the children

496
00:19:31,180 --> 00:19:29,120
even where we teach them about blinding

497
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:31,190
scientific experiments using dowsing yes

498
00:19:36,130 --> 00:19:34,010
so we do we have like six you know jobs

499
00:19:38,050 --> 00:19:36,140
and underneath one of the tubs we have a

500
00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:38,060
bottle of water and it the first time we

501
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,680
have it just sitting on top of the tub

502
00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:41,360
yeah they walk along the broad views

503
00:19:45,010 --> 00:19:43,460
yeah second time we put it onto the tub

504
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:45,020
that we they know which targets under

505
00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:47,690
the mud lives and the third time they

506
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:49,400
don't know which tab it's under yeah and

507
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:51,050
they never find it yeah you know it's

508
00:19:55,330 --> 00:19:52,850
very very simple experiment to conduct

509
00:19:58,210 --> 00:19:55,340
yeah and it's amazing to me that people

510
00:20:00,460 --> 00:19:58,220
have such a high level have been duped

511
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:00,470
by this stuff you know yeah I actually

512
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,440
use your example but whenever I kind of

513
00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:05,120
talked about and I was going to talk

514
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,580
about this on Saturday when i doing I've

515
00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:09,200
actually got a real grenade but I

516
00:20:13,330 --> 00:20:10,940
decided that if I was trying to fly into

517
00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:13,340
the u.s. real grenade it probably

518
00:20:16,060 --> 00:20:14,540
wouldn't go down very well so I'm

519
00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:16,070
cutting that bit from my talk I'm

520
00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:17,480
probably mentioned just briefly but

521
00:20:21,010 --> 00:20:19,670
given I've also lost the substance

522
00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:21,020
guards wish I was going to talk about oh

523
00:20:24,550 --> 00:20:22,160
yeah I'll have to find something else

524
00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:24,560
yeah let's think about yeah no you're

525
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:26,270
right it's uh and that's what's

526
00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:27,650
remarkable were your demonstration

527
00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:31,220
because if you know even when you know

528
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:33,320
that it's not a real thing it's still

529
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,210
the rod still moves yeah really quite

530
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:37,520
remarkable yeah yeah I mean we do a lot

531
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:39,890
of investigations with us to where we go

532
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,690
when people write to us and say I can

533
00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:43,520
find water underground we've drive out

534
00:20:46,780 --> 00:20:44,870
to the country when with the mandalas

535
00:20:48,430 --> 00:20:46,790
test and every time we've done it

536
00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:48,440
Australians get this have done it for 30

537
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:51,110
years yeah in every what yeah and I've

538
00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:52,640
supposed to be a little convinced that

539
00:20:56,530 --> 00:20:54,980
works and where I live somerset and i

540
00:20:59,170 --> 00:20:56,540
suspect this was a big influence in jim

541
00:21:00,730 --> 00:20:59,180
mccormick being based down there there

542
00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:00,740
are professionals who will show you

543
00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:04,130
dowsing services so you know it's still

544
00:21:07,870 --> 00:21:05,540
in fact you know this is funny thing

545
00:21:10,150 --> 00:21:07,880
actually I when this thing broke in

546
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:10,160
January there was a huge media storm

547
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:13,250
about it and I went to various sites

548
00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:14,720
that were dowsing sites who were

549
00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:15,980
disowning themselves saying well of

550
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:18,230
course that was that was bogus dow z

551
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:20,570
wasn't real dowsing so even then they

552
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:22,970
kind of disowned McCormick's activities

553
00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:25,490
who by the way my interest

554
00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:28,520
yes do tell well it turns out that he's

555
00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:30,590
a former police officer yeah Merseyside

556
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:32,140
Police which makes it all the more

557
00:21:37,299 --> 00:21:35,240
outrageous that this man can even get up

558
00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:37,309
in the morning and serve you know live

559
00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:39,140
his life I think this unbelievable

560
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:41,990
arrogance and yet these things go on I

561
00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:43,730
just wanted to congratulate you on that

562
00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:44,840
work but it's because I think what

563
00:21:47,650 --> 00:21:46,160
you've done is really making a huge

564
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:47,660
difference and you know this I mean

565
00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:50,090
people talk about skeptics being grumpy

566
00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:52,280
and cynical and just you know cardi

567
00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:53,750
pooping but sometimes it's actually

568
00:21:57,970 --> 00:21:55,990
applicable yeah and can actually affect

569
00:21:59,530 --> 00:21:57,980
people's lives and says this is

570
00:22:01,390 --> 00:21:59,540
something I think that you've done a

571
00:22:03,610 --> 00:22:01,400
fantastic job in doing this that's very

572
00:22:06,430 --> 00:22:03,620
kind of you but I really must share any

573
00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:06,440
kind of praise with the whole skeptics

574
00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:07,820
community because you know if they

575
00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:09,710
hadn't been blogging about it he hadn't

576
00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:11,150
had the james randi foundation you had

577
00:22:15,370 --> 00:22:13,190
how these guys keeping things in the

578
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,380
profile I wouldn't have got involved so

579
00:22:18,730 --> 00:22:17,360
I was just a small cog in a wheel and

580
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:18,740
you know I think we've still got to keep

581
00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:20,270
being vigilant and keep you know keep

582
00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:21,500
the spotlight on these guys because

583
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:23,720
clearly you know there's a lot of nasty

584
00:22:28,419 --> 00:22:25,370
dubious characters out there me just

585
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:28,429
going to be careful yeah well you've got

586
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:30,410
super senses is out how's that going is

587
00:22:34,330 --> 00:22:32,690
it sold out or out of print yet oh well

588
00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:34,340
i wish i wish i could say that was the

589
00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:35,720
case though it's come out again in the

590
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,920
u.s. under new title i think they

591
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:38,000
thought super sensor is probably a

592
00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:39,650
little bit too kind of obscure for a

593
00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:41,929
title but it's you tackle as a paperback

594
00:22:45,549 --> 00:22:43,460
is the science of superstition and

595
00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:45,559
that's actually done really well it's

596
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,780
already household super sense in its pre

597
00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:49,760
sales really yeah yeah so that's the

598
00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:51,860
good news but i'm working on a new one

599
00:22:56,530 --> 00:22:54,350
so you know that's for my efforts to

600
00:22:57,850 --> 00:22:56,540
concentrate for the next year so where

601
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,860
can I listens find out more about you

602
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,559
and buy the book okay well you can go to

603
00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:02,720
my site you can google me of course it

604
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:04,700
was the easiest way but my side is i

605
00:23:10,299 --> 00:23:09,200
think w WM food.com excellent well

606
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:10,309
thanks for joining us today on the

607
00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:22,620
this is an EVP I recorded last night how

608
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:26,470
you doing I'm a ghost what's up you guys

609
00:23:32,550 --> 00:23:28,330
can't possibly ignore that type of it

610
00:23:34,110 --> 00:23:32,560
who are you we're doing my own EVPs of

611
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:34,120
the result of pareidolia and cross

612
00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:36,130
modulation combined with the listeners

613
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:39,040
hopes and expectations this have to do

614
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:43,120
with science you just gotta skip to be

615
00:24:01,650 --> 00:23:53,110
food well skeptically pound calm we're

616
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:01,660
small screen it's in the next on

617
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:04,090
saturday the twenty-fifth off September

618
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:06,730
dr. rachey and I jumped in a car with

619
00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:09,310
Maynard and we all drove up to New

620
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:12,270
Castle we were to be the guests of the

621
00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:15,250
University of Newcastle atheist society

622
00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:19,180
who invited us to come up along the way

623
00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:22,360
we stopped by the leftovers of the big

624
00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:26,950
porn it's very sad sleep once famous

625
00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:30,940
giant well not so giant but sort of a

626
00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:33,040
big painted prawn over a service station

627
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:36,040
was a landmark in the newcastle area and

628
00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:39,450
we discovered it in pieces on the ground

629
00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:43,480
but despite that we continued on we

630
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:45,790
reached the university and gave out

631
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:48,970
talks that night Maynard was on hand to

632
00:25:06,330 --> 00:24:52,210
provide music and also to conduct some

633
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,340
interviews into beautiful very well

634
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:07,600
you've been already made the

635
00:25:10,410 --> 00:25:09,040
presentation with the skeptics and the

636
00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:10,420
atheists tonight here at the bar on the

637
00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:12,940
hill listen I really enjoyed it actually

638
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,560
mmm I i was a little bit skeptical

639
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:19,360
coming but i really i really liked it i

640
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:20,890
thought it was fantastic the what you're

641
00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:21,910
worried it might have been a bit drier

642
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:23,980
scientifical sighs I'm a bit I've grown

643
00:25:27,810 --> 00:25:25,690
up in a bit of a hippie family so I've

644
00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:27,820
grown up on her bull remedies and you

645
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,740
know alternative medicine so I was a

646
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:31,360
little bit funny about that kind of

647
00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:32,650
aspect of it but I thought it was

648
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:34,630
fantastic I thought it was brilliant I

649
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:36,460
loved what I especially loved Richard

650
00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:40,330
Richard Richard introduction so it's a

651
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:41,230
change the way even thought about

652
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:42,710
anything tonight

653
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:45,049
yeah absolutely I think it's a I could

654
00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:46,870
get some heightened my critical thinking

655
00:25:52,299 --> 00:25:49,750
yeah I think I think it's made me

656
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:52,309
question things a little bit more maybe

657
00:25:57,159 --> 00:25:55,090
and particularly cosmetic ads maybe oh

658
00:25:59,860 --> 00:25:57,169
hey I've always questioned those

659
00:26:01,960 --> 00:25:59,870
seriously oh my god that's great really

660
00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:01,970
enjoyed it well I noticed you asked a

661
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:03,320
question of Richard if he'd ever been

662
00:26:07,389 --> 00:26:05,210
stumped and now how come you asked that

663
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:07,399
question well I've spent five years

664
00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:09,710
working with drillers on there is

665
00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:13,640
borehole drilling sites and I had quite

666
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:16,309
a few people claim that would advising

667
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:21,200
works and you know to my knowledge a lot

668
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:23,630
of time it has worked and to be honest I

669
00:26:26,049 --> 00:26:25,130
think that a lot of it is to do with the

670
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:26,059
fact that there's water everywhere

671
00:26:31,779 --> 00:26:29,570
underground and you may be richard has

672
00:26:33,549 --> 00:26:31,789
had something to say and maybe it's a

673
00:26:35,889 --> 00:26:33,559
lot of [\h__\h] I do think that it

674
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:35,899
doesn't really work but it's a lot of

675
00:26:39,490 --> 00:26:37,220
hope do you think most of the people

676
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,500
you've seen do it that its work think

677
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:40,640
they believe in it or I think they're

678
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,169
trying to put something over i think

679
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,240
they entirely believe in it but they

680
00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:45,679
just need someone to go out there and

681
00:26:50,139 --> 00:26:47,990
show them that maybe what you're doing

682
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:50,149
isn't quite the right way to go about it

683
00:26:53,169 --> 00:26:51,950
obvious anything to have you heard

684
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,179
anything tonight will change the way you

685
00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:55,760
think well tonight he accidentally made

686
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:58,070
the wrong choice on his water divining

687
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:02,240
trick so did it may or may not have

688
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,250
cocked up a little well I might have a

689
00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:05,840
word to him about that thanks a lot so I

690
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:07,640
Hank it I'm here with our Richard

691
00:27:11,529 --> 00:27:09,320
Saunders yeah what's your official title

692
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:11,539
again Richard vice president of

693
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:13,370
Australian skeptics and producer of the

694
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:15,770
skeptic zone podcast and now you've just

695
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:17,510
given a talk with dr. Roger here the

696
00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:19,100
vice president at the bar on the hill

697
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,630
I've been talking to someone over there

698
00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:22,399
who has seen some examples of water

699
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,200
divining happening and you do a bit of a

700
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:26,960
divining on stage there and it didn't go

701
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:28,490
to plan tell us what happened tonight

702
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,000
well i did a blind test where I didn't

703
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:34,399
know under which cup the the object was

704
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:37,100
under one of six cups and I had a guess

705
00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:40,490
and I got it right which would perhaps

706
00:27:43,450 --> 00:27:42,020
say that maybe divining under some

707
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,460
circumstances work

708
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,500
as long as you consider a random chance

709
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:48,659
working yes and how often does that

710
00:27:51,889 --> 00:27:49,559
happen to you when you've demonstrated

711
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:51,899
that about one in six times actually out

712
00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:54,090
of a one-in-six try yes yeah and what

713
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:55,230
did you make about audience here tonight

714
00:27:57,740 --> 00:27:56,490
the bar on the hill what sort of

715
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:57,750
questions where they asked me about

716
00:28:00,799 --> 00:27:59,340
science because it was an atheist crowd

717
00:28:02,629 --> 00:28:00,809
they weren't really ask you much about

718
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:02,639
religion they were asking about various

719
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:05,190
aspects of pseudoscience absolutely it

720
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:07,049
was scarcely touched on religion at all

721
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:09,179
tonight it was more or less about how

722
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,110
science can investigate amazing and

723
00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:14,940
fantastic claims and what fantastic

724
00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:16,470
claims did they send the most interested

725
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,929
in alternative medicine I thought some

726
00:28:22,009 --> 00:28:20,460
questions about psychics but a lot of

727
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:22,019
questions about acupuncture about

728
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:24,179
vaccinations and things like that now

729
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:25,620
one question I've always wanted to ask

730
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,110
someone like yourself a skeptic is there

731
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,419
any one version of war or paranormal

732
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,419
science that you wish was true yeah I

733
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:35,460
really wish that people could use their

734
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:37,950
mystical powers to solve crimes I mean

735
00:28:41,539 --> 00:28:39,690
my heart goes out to people briefed

736
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,549
people or people who are missing loved

737
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:43,980
ones if there was some way that we could

738
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:46,470
circumvent the laws of nature to solve

739
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,570
those crimes I'd be all for it we're

740
00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:50,039
still here at the bar on the hill with

741
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:53,070
dr. Rocha the the vice president it had

742
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:54,659
to enjoy the gig tonight like basically

743
00:28:59,360 --> 00:28:56,580
what does the talk that you give entail

744
00:29:01,460 --> 00:28:59,370
my talk is really about the hijacking of

745
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:01,470
scientific terminology and technology

746
00:29:06,139 --> 00:29:04,289
and being added to say products that

747
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,149
might be a little bit suspicious that

748
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:08,460
maybe not based in much evidence but

749
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,679
they use Sciences sounding words to make

750
00:29:13,999 --> 00:29:12,480
them sound more legitimate and basically

751
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:14,009
they can charge more money for them if

752
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:15,720
they've got quantum in the in the title

753
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:17,580
well I would imagine that things that do

754
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,250
that mainly would be cosmetics not just

755
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,840
cosmetics cosmetics are very big

756
00:29:25,399 --> 00:29:23,399
offenders though they're actually known

757
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:25,409
as cosmeceuticals when they use things

758
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:27,010
like that like

759
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:29,290
DNA in the title or photo by a

760
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:32,350
modulation or hyaluronic acid was it a

761
00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:34,360
real science words but they've hijacked

762
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:36,340
to add to their product so then they can

763
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:37,990
charge more but there are other things

764
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:40,690
that do it too there is for example the

765
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:42,310
power balance bracelet that Richard

766
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:44,850
talked about tonight uses scalar energy

767
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,950
all to make it sound like it's possibly

768
00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:49,600
more technologically advanced and

769
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:50,920
therefore you can charge more money for

770
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,140
it and is there any legislation that

771
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:55,360
stops people from doing this not really

772
00:29:59,460 --> 00:29:58,210
unless you're making medical claims if

773
00:30:01,650 --> 00:29:59,470
you're saying that you can cure

774
00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:01,660
something then there is legislation to

775
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:03,100
say that you must show evidence that you

776
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:05,950
can cure but if you just say assists

777
00:30:10,290 --> 00:30:09,070
with or helps with or may help with then

778
00:30:12,030 --> 00:30:10,300
you can get away with anything really

779
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,040
and what sort of questions did you get

780
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:13,840
from the audience tonight what's the

781
00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:15,370
really interesting questions made up my

782
00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:16,630
god we've got a couple of questions

783
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:18,280
about has anything we've done ever

784
00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:20,230
stumped us or we have we come across

785
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:23,140
anything that stumped us and you know

786
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:24,580
what we were kind of stumped by that

787
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:26,860
question we couldn't really think of

788
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:29,950
anything that's stumped us i also got

789
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:32,110
quite a few questions about specific

790
00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:34,110
types of alternative medicine like

791
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:36,280
acupuncture for example does it work

792
00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:38,980
what is really homeopathy how does that

793
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:41,800
work so yeah lots of good questions and

794
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:43,630
lots of discussion and you finally get

795
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:45,010
to be difficult sometimes does your

796
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,170
specialty field is cell biology is that

797
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:49,360
correct that's correct yep okay so when

798
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:50,950
people say oh ok what about fish oil

799
00:30:53,790 --> 00:30:52,510
what about this what about that and I

800
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:53,800
asked about all these different herbal

801
00:30:56,490 --> 00:30:55,270
cures and you haven't had a chance to

802
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:56,500
run through all of them that must get a

803
00:31:00,240 --> 00:30:58,570
bit difficult yeah well when that

804
00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:00,250
happens i just say i haven't read the

805
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:01,900
literature and I don't know and I'd have

806
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:04,090
to look it up because yeah I can't read

807
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:06,340
all of the scientific literature my area

808
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:08,920
is aging really so I know of a bit about

809
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:11,980
Parkinson's and heart disease and motor

810
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:14,230
neuron disease but I don't know every

811
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:16,900
single type of medicine and whether it's

812
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:19,390
helped in some specific type of illness

813
00:31:23,790 --> 00:31:21,430
so i'd say i don't know i have to say i

814
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:23,800
don't know now one thing you said up on

815
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:25,630
stage that really annoys you is that

816
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:28,330
science is often hard and very tedious

817
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:29,980
and quite a long process and that

818
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,970
bothers you when people take shortcuts

819
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,000
yes it does may not because I do spend

820
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:38,580
many many hours in the lab and science

821
00:31:42,919 --> 00:31:40,919
is frustrating a lot of the time you do

822
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:42,929
sometimes get you your recommitment but

823
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:45,210
they're few and far between and so it's

824
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:47,730
a hard slog so when people kind of take

825
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:50,850
our work and our terminology and add it

826
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:53,130
to some magic machine and charged three

827
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:55,350
hundred dollars to print out a random

828
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,690
list of allergies that you might have it

829
00:32:02,630 --> 00:31:59,640
kind of pisses me off a little bit dr.

830
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:02,640
rachy is there any way that you wish was

831
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:05,520
true of all the Wu and all the sort of

832
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:07,260
paranormal activity you've investigated

833
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:08,460
have a look at that you've found not to

834
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:09,750
be the case is there one that you would

835
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:12,510
like to be the case that's a really good

836
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:13,950
question you know I've never thought

837
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,380
about that I would like to see some

838
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:19,200
really good UFO examples I would be

839
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:20,549
interested in talking to the dead but

840
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:21,809
when you think about it if you could

841
00:32:26,539 --> 00:32:24,450
talk to the dead that would so change

842
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,549
our society to a point that would be

843
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:28,320
unimaginable if you could talk everyone

844
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:30,630
that has died I can't imagine what that

845
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:31,770
would be like I mean I have a trouble

846
00:32:36,919 --> 00:32:33,740
talking to people i know they're alive

847
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,929
imagine that yeah yeah no I you know I

848
00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:39,120
don't think so i think if you think of

849
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:40,590
it from what I do which is out med I

850
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:42,659
mean what I like homeopathy to be real

851
00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:45,570
well not really because it's it really

852
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,169
simplifies science by saying water has a

853
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:51,600
memory and you can dilute something

854
00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:53,520
really to a huge degree and it still

855
00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:54,900
works and science is much more

856
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,580
complicated than that and much more

857
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:58,260
beautiful than that

858
00:33:02,450 --> 00:32:59,940
and unraveling new and interesting

859
00:33:04,790 --> 00:33:02,460
things about science every time we do an

860
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:04,800
experiment adds more fascination and

861
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:07,710
more excitement to to evolution into

862
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:09,870
nature so the way that it's simplified

863
00:33:15,020 --> 00:33:12,450
makes a dollar really so you'd rather

864
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:15,030
put your imagination to unlocking real

865
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:17,370
science absolutely Maynard I think that

866
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,930
the beauty of the natural world is much

867
00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:20,820
more interesting than what people can

868
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,680
make up what is the one thing that

869
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:25,140
people should see as a sign that make

870
00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:26,610
them skeptical straight away when you

871
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:29,160
see something you should get our if it's

872
00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:32,340
been sold only with testimonials so if

873
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:34,680
mrs. blogs from down the street says it

874
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:37,500
worked for me it probably didn't so

875
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:40,770
prick up your ears be skeptical and do

876
00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:51,180
your research this is brian dunning from

877
00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:54,870
SCAP tide calm warning avoid skeptics in

878
00:34:00,260 --> 00:33:57,300
the pub in sydney on october 7th at all

879
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:00,270
costs Maynard is going to be there the

880
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,940
avalanche of irrationality and ill logic

881
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:04,860
that he'll no doubt unleash will be

882
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:07,860
hazardous to anyone who attends October

883
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:10,919
7th please be as far away from skeptics

884
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:13,500
in the pub in Sydney as possible thank

885
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:27,430
Maggie McPhee is one of the organizers

886
00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:30,050
of the Boston skeptics a very successful

887
00:34:36,369 --> 00:34:32,899
group originally established by rebecca

888
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:36,379
watson maggie is an audio-visual

889
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:39,050
aficionado who skillfully coordinates

890
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:41,569
the technology and films talks at

891
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,700
skeptics in the pub which are then put

892
00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:46,399
online for all to see in this interview

893
00:34:51,609 --> 00:34:48,919
she gives us some tips about running a

894
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:51,619
skeptical group and provide some ideas

895
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:55,010
about options outside of the pub to such

896
00:35:05,500 --> 00:34:58,390
as book clubs and branches and even

897
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:05,510
skeptics in the park and i'm here with

898
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,730
Maggie McPhee from Boston skeptics hi

899
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:09,280
Maggie welcome to the skeptic zone

900
00:35:15,309 --> 00:35:12,530
lovely to see you how you and well

901
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:15,319
that's good so you get to see you tell

902
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:17,270
us a little bit about what Boston

903
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:19,310
skeptics do I know you do a skeptics in

904
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,800
the pub what I've been to your skippers

905
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:24,020
in the poverty of fight aux there around

906
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:27,170
half you learn oh it's true tell me a

907
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:28,250
little bit about the skeptics in the pub

908
00:35:33,579 --> 00:35:30,890
well Rebecca started the group initially

909
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:33,589
it was very loose she just you know just

910
00:35:39,010 --> 00:35:35,270
Rebecca she said I'm going to do this

911
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:39,020
and did it and she began recruiting some

912
00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:41,690
of us who you know friends who are you

913
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,900
know in the the movement and we began to

914
00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:47,599
make it more and more cohesive more more

915
00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:50,900
organized so now we're kind of one of

916
00:35:55,450 --> 00:35:53,150
those what they were describing us you

917
00:35:58,599 --> 00:35:55,460
know hybrids today you know we're not

918
00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:58,609
incorporated but we're very cohesive

919
00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:00,950
where you know but we are our big thing

920
00:36:05,859 --> 00:36:03,230
as we do skeptics in the pub each month

921
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:05,869
uh-huh we tend to get really good

922
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:09,020
speakers cause of just circumstances we

923
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:11,450
you know we shoot those we put them

924
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:13,910
online usually depending on that speaker

925
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:17,180
if we can um so that everybody can view

926
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:19,220
them and we also do things like we have

927
00:36:25,059 --> 00:36:21,650
brunches and we have a book club I am

928
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:25,069
yeah so we were trying to be to build a

929
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:27,380
community with the people that we know

930
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:29,569
and reach out to people we don't know so

931
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:31,250
you mentioned hybrid because there was a

932
00:36:35,890 --> 00:36:33,410
talk today about sort of there was a

933
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:35,900
panel about grassroots skepticism today

934
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:37,890
we're talking about

935
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,270
difference between that are really big

936
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:41,160
groups and really little groups and what

937
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:42,660
sort of differences there are between

938
00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:44,670
them and what changes you can sort of

939
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:47,340
instigate as a incorporated which is a

940
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:49,350
usually very organized structured green

941
00:36:53,570 --> 00:36:51,210
so you guys are kind of in the middle

942
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,580
there somewhere right we've talked about

943
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:55,440
incorporating them we don't feel like

944
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:57,510
we're at that point you know and we ever

945
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:58,980
like they're talking you know there are

946
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:00,660
legal issues you have to consider and

947
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:03,960
we're really not out and active as that

948
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,450
much in the community whereas if we

949
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:09,060
become more so probably want to consider

950
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:12,030
that for you know legal reasons but it's

951
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:14,310
more of a skeptics kick group rather

952
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:16,770
than a outreaching to everybody group at

953
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:18,630
the moment is at a moment it ain't nice

954
00:37:22,610 --> 00:37:20,820
if we could your but we're not at that

955
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:22,620
point yet but it is something that's

956
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:25,410
kind of a nerd in our sights yes and you

957
00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:26,430
mentioned a little bit about the

958
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:28,080
speakers I think last night he had Jon

959
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:30,990
Ronson didn't ye yes sir john rotten oh

960
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:33,510
we had just heard simon perry and john

961
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:35,910
rosen is of course the author of the men

962
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:37,350
who stare at goats yes has just been

963
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:39,420
made into a movie with george clooney

964
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:42,930
and un- ago right we were able to put

965
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:44,250
that talk up online because that would

966
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:45,570
be great I say it's up and it's

967
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:48,660
hilarious engine um we had it wasn't a

968
00:37:52,810 --> 00:37:50,970
great night for it um as far as you know

969
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:52,820
it's kind of dim but yes it's online

970
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:56,940
John is absolutely hilarious yeah and um

971
00:38:02,000 --> 00:37:59,130
he's someone who goes out and really

972
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,010
lives life and nearly gets killed a lot

973
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:04,320
so really yes what what did he talk

974
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:06,390
about and that talk um he talked about

975
00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:08,250
you know like stuff in the movie where

976
00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:10,950
he went to the Middle East and he was

977
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:13,860
following you to this guy around you

978
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,000
know it's kind of a nutjob yeah on this

979
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:19,440
thing in a wild-goose chase did you use

980
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,090
chase and other things that he's done

981
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,000
weren't you know he's been in situations

982
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:26,820
where we're dangerous because he also

983
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:30,450
infiltrated a Muslim yes cells also got

984
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:33,570
as well yeah and he's he it's weird to

985
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:35,190
hear him talk about I'm so these people

986
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,530
he knows them you know and they and

987
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:39,540
their Long John my friend you know they

988
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,050
yeah it's really he's lived quite a life

989
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:45,900
yeah cuz he's a journalist by trade his

990
00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:46,570
name correct

991
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:49,720
yeah yeah I mean that I guess that leads

992
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,110
him into that yeah he's also a bit woozy

993
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:55,680
yeah but in a good way in a good way

994
00:39:01,140 --> 00:38:58,930
under phul and it was great having him

995
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:01,150
so how many people would are involved in

996
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:03,070
Boston skip days because you mentioned

997
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:05,560
Rebecca that's rebecca watson she lives

998
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:08,710
in london now right so um Liz Gaston

999
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:10,810
she's taking over the duties of like you

1000
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,150
know I'm seeing and things like that and

1001
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:14,560
hosting the branches and things like

1002
00:39:20,070 --> 00:39:17,290
that then there's myself Josh Nicholson

1003
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:20,080
and Jared Giuliano and then there's Mary

1004
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:22,540
who does our book club and and then we

1005
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:24,970
have people who pitch in as well so

1006
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,250
being that it's mostly scenario skeptics

1007
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,200
and pub you know the number of people

1008
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:32,320
that are interesting swells and changes

1009
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:34,390
we might have 30 people in a night or we

1010
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:36,970
might have 110 people in that soon so

1011
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:38,290
tell us about your book club what does

1012
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:41,560
that involve each month Leah they pick a

1013
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:45,520
book to read and they meet up and for

1014
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:47,890
breakfast or brunch or whatever and lots

1015
00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:49,480
of times it's it's something that's

1016
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:52,840
either topical or whatever whatever pops

1017
00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:55,330
up in people's did you guys do the men

1018
00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:56,830
who stare at goats does that mean in the

1019
00:40:00,120 --> 00:39:58,540
book club no but that would be good i'm

1020
00:40:01,470 --> 00:40:00,130
sure that's a good idea yeah cuz i've

1021
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,480
actually read the book and I've seen the

1022
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,520
film and know the very different yeah

1023
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:04,960
yeah he's right have you read the book

1024
00:40:08,910 --> 00:40:06,790
no yeah they're quite if I talked to

1025
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:08,920
John a bit about that and talked to him

1026
00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:10,630
a bit about it and he's happy with it

1027
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:12,280
you know it's different it's not you

1028
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,230
know his book but he's yeah he says I

1029
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,200
like it how can you not I mean you know

1030
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,560
I I guess he is being played by you and

1031
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:22,920
McGregor so how could you complain about

1032
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:25,810
did he mention that at all yes she did

1033
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:28,120
allude to the his handsome portrayal and

1034
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:33,670
screen yeah yeah cuz one of the some of

1035
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:35,500
the criticisms that sums up some

1036
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:38,080
skeptical groups get with like skeptics

1037
00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:39,910
in the pub and stuff is well that's not

1038
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,300
inclusive of some people who can't come

1039
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:45,040
out of late because I've got young

1040
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:46,630
children or they don't want to go to a

1041
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:47,830
pub because that's not really their

1042
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,770
scene so yeah that's really tough and

1043
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:52,480
we've tried to address and I should

1044
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:54,730
mention one more thing we do is we tend

1045
00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:56,230
to call it whatever based around

1046
00:40:59,609 --> 00:40:56,980
whatever we're doing

1047
00:41:03,090 --> 00:40:59,619
like like we might get to apartment of

1048
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,100
skeptics in the park or we might take a

1049
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:05,440
trip to the Museum of Natural History so

1050
00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:07,810
that we can bring families out so you

1051
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:09,400
know some people can come to brunch who

1052
00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:11,950
aren't interested in the pub or you know

1053
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,320
who are into that book club or then and

1054
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:15,760
families can come to the union of the

1055
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:17,770
outdoor vids bring their kids and it

1056
00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:19,810
leads as a schoolteacher so she's happy

1057
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:21,340
to like you know what parents wander a

1058
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:23,740
bit and so it's really tough that but

1059
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:26,619
because that sort of community thing is

1060
00:41:32,099 --> 00:41:29,170
really hard to find in the skeptical

1061
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:32,109
community because you're not everyone is

1062
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:33,970
an atheist as we talked about but la

1063
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:37,840
people are or aren't comfortable with

1064
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:40,450
some of the institutions you know so

1065
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:43,150
that they need community they need you

1066
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:45,460
know people to hang around with and be a

1067
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:47,170
part of something with it's just human

1068
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:50,020
nature so we try to get in but you can't

1069
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,369
please everyone but it seems like you

1070
00:41:55,770 --> 00:41:54,160
guys have got a fairly broad range of

1071
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:55,780
things for people to do so that they can

1072
00:41:59,250 --> 00:41:57,070
go to the pub they can go to the part

1073
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:59,260
they can go join the book club there was

1074
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:01,240
one thing I could boil it all down to

1075
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:03,660
once you've got an organization is

1076
00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:06,190
listen to your members just first and

1077
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:08,500
what they want to do that's the best way

1078
00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:10,060
you know don't figure out you've got all

1079
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,619
the ideas of what they need to do just

1080
00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:13,359
just ask them in though they'll come up

1081
00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:15,220
with things like you know let's go to

1082
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:17,800
the museum we have this particular

1083
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:20,200
speaker coming and what's getting a

1084
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,030
theatre and do it there instead of going

1085
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:24,400
to the pub which we've done that as well

1086
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:25,990
because one of the things that came up

1087
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:27,730
today during the Q&A about grassroots

1088
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:30,730
skepticism was some people want to be

1089
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:31,930
involved but they don't have a lot of

1090
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:34,780
time I have to say that even being in

1091
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:36,520
lemon Rebecca still puts in a lot of

1092
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:38,470
work getting especially the speakers

1093
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:40,210
that's the hardest thing but it can be

1094
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:42,970
time consuming I do all baby stuff and I

1095
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:45,910
at shoot and edit the videos and but

1096
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,650
that is white things I mean you know

1097
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:50,560
yeah oh yeah and and like someone was

1098
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:52,510
saying today you know it doesn't have to

1099
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:54,070
take a lot of time if you don't have the

1100
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:55,990
time yes and that's another thing yeah

1101
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:58,330
if you have the time don't you know

1102
00:43:02,580 --> 00:42:59,950
don't feel guilty that you don't

1103
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:02,590
anticipate where you can if you're just

1104
00:43:06,090 --> 00:43:04,180
someone who comes to the things that's

1105
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:06,100
fine if you're someone who comes and

1106
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:07,109
tosses out an idea

1107
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:09,150
yeah or some other cons and participates

1108
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:11,460
on the website or hey I've got to

1109
00:43:16,009 --> 00:43:12,839
suggest with him speaker every little

1110
00:43:18,019 --> 00:43:16,019
bit counts and as a collective of people

1111
00:43:21,259 --> 00:43:18,029
in every little bit builds some greater

1112
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:21,269
large thing and the people who do you

1113
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:23,849
have time and resources though you know

1114
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:25,710
they'll stepped up and commits you know

1115
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,690
we have people now that that I know we

1116
00:43:31,279 --> 00:43:29,880
can ask at a moment's notice to do

1117
00:43:33,289 --> 00:43:31,289
things and they would do it do what you

1118
00:43:36,019 --> 00:43:33,299
can don't feel guilty about not doing

1119
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:36,029
more do what you can so I think right

1120
00:43:41,539 --> 00:43:38,130
now the biggest thing is we're looking

1121
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,549
more towards bloggy more I do you have a

1122
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:43,440
blog just guess we do in Boston skeptics

1123
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:45,930
calm right and you can also get to our

1124
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,150
videos from their phenomena which

1125
00:43:52,789 --> 00:43:49,980
they're all the ones that we can or

1126
00:43:54,499 --> 00:43:52,799
online what would you do would you have

1127
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,509
any advice for anyone who might want to

1128
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,400
set up a a skeptics in the pub or

1129
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:58,380
skeptics in the park if they live in a

1130
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,640
town where there isn't anything like

1131
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:02,720
that yes um if you go to grassroots

1132
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:06,150
skeptics org run by KO Myers great site

1133
00:44:11,059 --> 00:44:08,700
he tries to aggregate a lot of that

1134
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,069
information mom and you can also check

1135
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:12,960
out our site Boston skeptics back home

1136
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:15,329
and it may not have that particular

1137
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,569
information but you were happy to hear

1138
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:20,880
from me contact us you have a question

1139
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:23,130
on how to do something or you know

1140
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:24,930
things like that we're happy to talk

1141
00:44:30,019 --> 00:44:28,170
about grassroots skeptics that org is a

1142
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:30,029
really good place to start them all

1143
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:31,049
right well thanks very much for joining

1144
00:44:46,579 --> 00:44:33,089
us Maggie on the skeptic side and enjoy

1145
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:49,400
on Sunday October third at nine-thirty

1146
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,690
am joined the Granite State skeptics on

1147
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,640
a walking tour of historic Salem

1148
00:44:58,339 --> 00:44:56,160
Massachusetts learn the history and view

1149
00:45:00,380 --> 00:44:58,349
the sights of this historic town made

1150
00:45:03,529 --> 00:45:00,390
famous by arthur miller's the crucible

1151
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:03,539
and the Salem witch trials we will be

1152
00:45:06,979 --> 00:45:05,099
meeting at the salem visitor center

1153
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:06,989
where we will begin our tour and enjoy

1154
00:45:11,959 --> 00:45:09,660
such sights as a salem witch museum the

1155
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:11,969
House of the Seven Gables and the Salem

1156
00:45:16,579 --> 00:45:14,609
pirate museum while the cost of the tour

1157
00:45:19,249 --> 00:45:16,589
is free some of the sites we will be

1158
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:19,259
stopping at do charge a fee for more

1159
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:21,180
information in full details check

1160
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:42,110
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1161
00:45:47,330 --> 00:45:45,510
zone next week it's a surprise for

1162
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:47,340
everybody there will be a think tank oh

1163
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:49,590
I know I know next week we'll have a

1164
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:52,200
report about the very first night in the

1165
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:54,870
new pub in Sydney for the new skeptics

1166
00:45:59,300 --> 00:45:56,910
in the pub now that's happening on the

1167
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:59,310
7th of October Thursday the seventh

1168
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,020
October here in Sydney the new pub is

1169
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:03,240
called the city hotel it's on the corner

1170
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:07,080
of Kent and king streets downtown Sydney

1171
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:10,380
kicking off at six o'clock and our

1172
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:13,530
special guest doing a wonderful

1173
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:15,510
presentation for us is none other than

1174
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:18,270
main art of course looking forward to

1175
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:22,140
that so hope to see you there and I hope

1176
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,330
to see some of you soon I guess anyway

1177
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:26,220
at tam australia very exciting very

1178
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,680
exciting until then this is Richard

1179
00:46:35,810 --> 00:46:30,720
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1180
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:35,820
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1181
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:40,140
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1182
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:43,350
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1183
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:46,609
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